本文整理自8月1日火币大家说·第15期活动《一夜陪你聊分叉》,活动形式为线上讲座公开课,共有近316万人在线观看直播,留言数近万条,点赞人数超过154万,现将文字稿分享给大家
From August 1st, we've been collating the 15th edition of "Singing You One Night Fork" in the form of an online lecture open session for nearly 3.16 million people to watch live live, with nearly 10,000 messages and over 1.54 million praises, and we've shared the text with you.
火币大家说主持人吴兴:
Everyone says the host, Wu Heng:
现在是北京时间晚8点,欢迎大家收听第15期的火币大家说,我是主持人吴兴。我们火币大家说的老听众,会发现这次我们的是史上嘉宾人数最多的一次。大家开不开心。在火币大家说的前13期,我们一直是微信语音的直播,大家更能专心听内容,而上一期我们尝试了一种新的讲座方式。用第三方平台的视频来承载的内容,同时也能跟大家进行直接互动,没想到效果同样非常好!大家评价上一期的双口相声非常不错,让大家了解了ETC的发迹史。这一期,我们要给大家说一段群口相声,和大家聊一聊比特币的扩容与分叉。
It's 8 p.m. Beijing time, and I'm your host, Wu Hing. The old audience we're talking about here is going to find that we have the largest number of guests in history. We're not happy. The first 13 days we're talking about here, we've been listening to microphones, and we've tried a new way to talk about the content in the last issue.
现在为新朋友正式介绍我们火币大家说栏目。
And now we're officially introducing our new friends, and we're all going to talk about it.
火币大家说是由火币发起的大型公益投资讲座,邀请国内最优秀的从事区块链以及数字资产领域的大咖,为大家深入剖析区块链、比特币的故事和发展现状。
It is said to be a large public-interest investment lecture initiated by the tender, inviting the country's best players in the area of block chains and digital assets to provide you with an in-depth analysis of the chain of blocks, the story of bitcoin and the current state of development.
火币大家说到今天已经进行了15期,共累计近320万网友观看。
A total of nearly 3.2 million users have been watching it.
如果你有朋友也想听火币大家说的讲座,欢迎关注火币网微信号huobicom,关注活动通知。
If you have a friend who would like to hear a lecture from everyone, you are welcome to pay attention to the Signals Network micro-signal huobicom and to notice the event.
火币大家说在前十四期分别邀请大咖为大家分享了区块链、钱包、大数据、挖矿、K线、行业的发展现状。第十五期我将和火币大家说史上最豪华的嘉宾团一起,和大家聊一聊比特币的扩容与分叉。这也是近期大家最关注的币圈热点。
They say that in the first 14 issues Big Curry was invited to share information on the development of block chains, wallets, big data, mining, K-line, and industry. The fifteenth issue will be about the expansion and division of bitcoins, together with the most luxurious guests in history.
当然,本期节目也给观众朋友准备了福利,我们得到今超级火的、币圈币豪们想人手一台的硬件冷钱包库神的大力支持,库神为本次直播观众朋友们提供了单价为3000元人民币的库神硬件冷钱包,拥有的人都是万币豪,一共五台。
Of course, the show also provides benefits to the audience's friends, and we have the strong support of today's super-fire, money- and money-rich people who want a piece of hardware cold wallet, which Ku God has provided for the live audience's friends at a unit cost of 3,000 yuan hardware cold wallets, owned by 10,000 yuan, for a total of five.
本期嘉宾
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1、田鑫——数字资产挖矿平台蚁池矿池的负责人
1. Tanaka — Head of the ant ponds of the digital asset mining platform
拥有女生羡慕嫉妒恨小脸的伪80后,披着技术大咖外衣的商务精英,蚂蚁矿池算力全球第一的军功章上有他的背影。
After 80 years of feigning jealous and hateful faces, a business elite dressed in a technocratic coat, with his back on the ants' pond's world's number one military medal.
2、江卓尔——BTC.TOP矿池的负责人
2. The head of the Jiangchallor - BTC.TOP pond
一袭衬衫难掩书生气质,火币大家说的老朋友,背靠算力排名第二矿池的比特币扩容分叉专家。
An attack on a shirt is hard to cover, an old friend known as the gun price, a bitcoin extension fork expert who is in the second most arithmetic pond.
3、庄重——BTC.com矿池负责人
3. Legitimacy — head of the BTC.com pond
4、朱砝——BTC.com矿池负责人
4. Chu — head of the BTC.com pond
虽后起之秀,却以领先的核心技术、专业的服务、公开透明的让利机制,真正国际化的团队,为矿池行业提供了新标准。
Despite these successes, a truly international team, with leading core technology, professional services, open and transparent concessional mechanisms, has provided new standards for the mineral industry.
5、刘飞——火币运营总监
5. Liu Fei - Director-General of the Gun Operations
毕业于中央大学信息系工程,曾从事航天、智能交通、O2O等多个领域的运营工作。
Graduated from the Department of Information at the Central University and worked in various fields, such as space, smart traffic and O2O.
6、场外连线嘉宾:赵千捷——BTCC矿池的创始人
6. Out-of-the-course guest: Zhao Chikjie, founder of the BTCC mine
全球知名的比特币矿池之一,凭借“专业、稳定、透明”深受广大矿工的支持与信赖。
One of the world's well-known pits of Bitcoin, with its “professional, stable and transparent” character, enjoys the support and trust of a wide range of miners.
火币大家说主持人吴兴:
Everyone says the host, Wu Heng:
今天有一个BCC的新资产上线,它是基于比特币的原链进行的。近日我们很多用户和行业外人群也纷纷对火币进行询问,问比特币是要分叉了吗?比特币扩容怎么回事?这才有了我们本次大咖云集的直播。那么下面我们首先请各位大咖给大家科普一下比特币扩容到底是怎么回事。
Today we have a new BCC asset online, which is based on the Bitcoin original chain. Many of our users and outsiders have been asking questions about the coin, asking if it is going to be split up. What about the bitcoin expansion?
有请来自蚁池的田鑫给大家讲一下比特币的扩容。
"Strong" would like to have a word from the ants' pond about the expansion of Bitcoin.
田鑫:为什么要扩容?大家知道比特币的交易频度,比特币交易是每秒钟3笔,而信用卡的交易是每秒2000笔,所以用户体验非常不好。扩容之前炒得比较火,主要分两种,一种是大区块扩容,一个是SegWit。
The user's experience is very bad because you know how often Bitcoin is traded, three times a second, and a credit card is traded 2,000 times a second. The extenuation is more intense, and there are two main types of expansion, one for large blocks and the other for SegWit.
大区块扩容很简单,就是直接把区块大小给去掉,变成重大的区块,5M、8M、10M等等。
The size of the blocks is simple, i.e. they are directly removed and transformed into major blocks, 5M, 8M, 10M, etc.
SegWit。区块内容分交易和签名,SegWit是把签名给拿出来,让区块里面能容纳更多的交易。SegWit可以暂时缓解区块的拥堵,最终2M或者3M,所以还是有弊端。
SegWit. Block content is traded and signed, and SegWit takes the signature out so that the block can accommodate more transactions. SegWit can temporarily ease block congestion, eventually 2M or 3M, so there is still a problem.
火币大家说主持人吴兴:下面请庄重和朱砝讲一下什么是比特币分叉,什么是硬分叉什么是软分叉。
"Strong," everyone says, "Moderator Wu Hing: Let's talk to Chu about what bitcoin splits and hard splits and soft splits."
庄重:比特币分叉的概念其实就是对于正常软件的升级,用程序员的说法,软分叉是向前,硬分叉是版本之间的。简单来说,软分叉你不升级,也可以继续往前走。但是硬分叉如果不升级,那就无法行进。
Routine: The concept of bitcoin fork is actually for normal software upgrades, and, in the words of programmers, soft fork is forward and hard fork is between versions. Simply put, soft fork is either not upgraded or can move forward. But hard fork cannot move without upgrading.
火币大家说主持人吴兴:请江卓尔为大家讲一下扩容方案的变化。
"Strong", everyone says, "Moderator Wu Hing: Let's talk about the changes in the expansion program. "
江卓尔:比特币扩容方案经历了香港共识及变化、纽约共识及变化。中本聪在设计方案时,也强调未来是要不断扩容的,他提出很多方案解决大区块带来的问题。但目前开发人员、市场人员和用户对于比特币扩容都有不同的想法才会造成冲突。
Jiangchael Bitcoin has experienced changes and changes in the Hong Kong consensus, the New York consensus, and the New York consensus. In designing the plan, he also emphasized the need for the future to grow, and he proposed many solutions to the problems posed by large blocks.
目前业内形成了两派。第一派以Core为首的开发人员,要在区块上面加第二层,要加高架路。第二派就认为,可以加高架路,但是要保证单车道变成双车道,有可能还是变成四车道。两派在2016年的时候双方达成了一个妥协,大区块派同意开发人员先上线以后再扩大区块。也就是所谓的香港协议,但最后Core开发人员不认这个协议,所以导致香港共识流产。
The first group of developers, led by Core, would add a second floor to the block, with a high road. The second group argued that it would be possible to build a high road, but that it would be possible to ensure that the one-way track would become a two-way lane or a four-way lane. In 2016, the two parties reached a compromise, and the larger group agreed to expand the block before the developers went online. The so-called Hong Kong agreement, but in the end, the Core developers refused to accept the agreement, which led to the collapse of the Hong Kong consensus.
随后,在2017年5月份又进行了一次纽约共识,纽约共识很简单,就是把香港共识拿过来,我们还是先上高架桥再上大区块,但是唯一的不同就是,由另外一方写代码。它有五个核心,有五个人有权利提交代码,这样达成了第二次共识,让更多的团队加入到了开发当中,有更多的可能性。
Then, in May 2017, there was another New York consensus, which was simple enough to bring the Hong Kong consensus to the top of the bridge before the big block, but the only difference was that it was written by the other side. It had five cores and five people who had the right to submit the code, so that a second consensus was reached, bringing more teams into development and more possibilities.
这也就是比特币去中心化,就是比特币走成什么样,是应该由市场用户来决定,并不是由某一个开发团队来决定。比如开发团队不开发相应代码,那就有另外一个团队开发更好的代码。比如现在开发版本,就得到了社区绝大部分人的支持。
This is the centralization of bitcoin, which is what bitcoin looks like, which is to be decided by market users, not by one development team. For example, if the development team does not develop the corresponding code, there is another team that develops the better code. Now, for example, the development version is supported by the majority of the community.
火币大家说主持人吴兴:下面有请刘飞讲一下比特币扩容方案对于C端用户,也就是投资用户的影响。
刘飞:第一,从长期和宏观方面来看,我个人是比较看好BCC跟BTC的长期价格。从数字资产发展的历史上看以及BCC的诞生理念看,BCC不是BTC,它们是携手前进的竞争关系。我个人认为在所有方面,BTC跟BCC在这个市场上都是非常有独到一面的,他们都是非常优秀的。
Liu Fei: First, in the long run and at the macro level, I personally look at BCC and BTC’s long-term prices. From the history of digital asset development and the idea of BCC’s birth, BCC is not BTC; they are competitions to move forward together. I personally believe that BTC and BCC are very unique in all aspects of the market, and they are all very good.
第二,从短期价格来看,我个人认为无论BTC和BCC的价格一定会剧烈波动。在技术、市场推广能力、市场认可度方面都存在着不确定性。所以短期以内套利盘在分叉支的时候,BCC被赠送完之后,短期的抛压很重。
Second, in terms of short-term prices, I personally believe that BTC and BCC prices are bound to fluctuate. There is uncertainty about technology, market diffusion, market recognition.
对其他数字资产的影响,比如说LTC、ETC。我个人认为在ETH和其他竞争币崛起过程中大家发现,比特币价格的降低没有降低市场活性和租金容量,可能还扩大了。所以我觉得比特币份额的进一步降低,会产生很多的想象空间,这是一个流动市场,比特币不能决定这个市场所有一切。
The impact on other digital assets, such as LTC, ETC. I personally believe that the rise of ETH and other competing currencies has found that the decline in bitcoin prices has not reduced market activity and rent capacity, and may have increased. So I think that further reductions in bitcoin’s share will create a lot of room for imagination, a mobile market in which bitcoin cannot determine everything.
火币大家说主持人吴兴:感谢各位大咖为我们为我们普及了比特币扩容的相关知识,下面请各位从直播观众的提问中选取一些问题进行解答,
"Strong": Thank you all for sharing your knowledge of the expansion of bitcoin. Let me ask you a few questions from the live viewers, .
1、为什么闪电网络的网络迟迟不出,大家有什么看法?
1. What are your views on the reason for the delay in the network of the Lightning Network?
江卓尔:莱特币的闪电网络已经可以用了,但没有人用,这是市场的选择。我个人认为做一些辅助性的交易或者高频交易,用闪电网络会更好。但是对于大部分用户来说,走主链比较安全稳定,如果把所有交易都堆到闪电网络就会出现头重脚轻的情况。
Jiangchael: The Lightning Network in Lettco has been used, but no one has, and this is a market option. Personally, I think it would be better to do some auxiliary or high-frequency transactions. But for most users, it would be safer to walk the main chain, and if all the transactions were piled up in the Lightning Network, there would be a top-heavy situation.
庄重:为什么闪电网络还出不来?因为并没有那么多的开发力量投入到闪电网络中,无论是比特币从业者,还是外围做软件、生态的人,都没有投入那么多的资源。目前从闪电网络开发来看,也是处于实验阶段,他们目前定义的、能允许最大的转账数字只有0.42个比特币,还是非常小,还是在小心翼翼的尝试阶段。离它真正成为一个成熟产品,还是有很大的距离。
Due to the fact that there is not so much development into the Lightning Network, neither by Bitcoin practitioners, nor by those who do software on the periphery, nor by the ecology, there are so many resources. It is also an experimental phase in the development of the Lightning Network, which they currently define as allowing the largest number of transfers to be 0.42 bitcoins, or very small, or a trial stage with a careful wing. It is still a long way from becoming a real mature product.
2、分叉对山寨币有何影响?
2. What is the effect of the split on the bounties?
江卓尔:对山寨币还是有影响的,我认为BCC是BTC的衍生品,在比特币都可以实现这些特性,并且一份比特币可以获得很多用户,对于山寨币造成一定的打击。大家发现玩BCC比玩山寨币更有意思。
Jiangchallor: I think BCC is a derivative of BTC that can be achieved in bitcoin, and a bit of bitcoin can be used with a lot of users, causing a certain blow to mountain coins. You find it more interesting to play BCC than to play with mountain coins.
3、请问庄重和朱砝,BCC的价值在哪里?
3. Where is the value of the BCC?
朱砝:BCC的投资价值不错,刚才江总的有一点我不认同。BCC会经历价格剧烈波动,短期或者中期都会有,这里面就有很好的炒作机会,要是没有波动怎么赚钱呢?价格波动,这是它最大的价值。
BCC's investment is good, and I don't agree with you at all. BCC will experience price volatility in the short or medium term, and there's a good chance of making money without it. Price volatility is its greatest value.
4、蚁池会不会挖BCC?
Four. Do they dig the BCC?
田鑫:挖不挖BCC还要看8点以后,它的成功分叉以后,网络是不是稳定。还有市场的认可。引用江总的话,BCC并不是那么可怕,BCC可能成为一个备选方案。BCC挖不挖,看大家的共识,还有大家对市场的认可,才能决定。
The BCC is not that scary, and the BCC could be an option, to quote Jiang. The BCC can be an option. The BCC can't dig, it's a consensus, and it's a market recognition.
5、 BCC还会分叉吗?
Five, BCC still split up?
江卓尔:据我所知已经有一个人准备对BCC分叉,这个可以同时验证,分叉这个事情可怕不可怕?不可怕,任何人都可以分叉,并且任何交易所都可以上分叉币,这不会造成任何混乱,只需要看分出的币是否有市场需求与用户需求。
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6、国内外BTC差价达到1000多,您怎么看?
What do you think?
江卓尔:这是由于不能提币充值,没有人套利导致的。
Jiangchael: This is due to the inability to raise the full value of the currency and the fact that there is no arbitrage.
刘飞:现在是1.78万,因为交易所不能流动,导致了巨大的价格差,火币已经比某著名平台高500块。
Liu Fei: It is now 178,000, as the exchange cannot flow, leading to a huge price gap, and the gun price is already 500 dollars higher than that of a well-known platform.
7、江总,说一下现在挖矿赚钱吗?
Mr. Jiang, can you tell me how much money we're making from mining now?
江卓尔:挖矿涉及到一些深层次,我们称为经济金融。挖矿肯定赚钱,但挖矿不仅仅是赚钱工具,而是资产配置的一部分,将挖矿作为杠杆调节收益与损失。收益对标人民币,在牛市过程中,把币换成矿机,这个时候挖回来币的几率并不高。如果用人民币买矿机,对标人民币收益,收益则相当不错。挖矿另外一个好处,挖矿的风险比直接买币小很多。小得多,是指比特币进入熊市的时候。熊市的时候算力不涨,所以挖矿可以挖出更多的币。
Jiangchallor: Mining involves some depths, which we call economic finance. Mining is certainly profitable, but mining is not just a tool for earning money, but rather a part of asset allocation, using mining as leverage to adjust gains and losses. Gains against the renminbi, in the cattle market, are swapped into a mine machine, which is not very likely to be recovered at this time.
8、火币对BCC交易有什么支持?
8: What support for the BCC deal?
火币大家说主持人吴兴:火币已经支持BCC对BTC的交易,火币在 8月9日17:00正式开启BCC充值业务。你在火币网的主站和Pro站上,如果有BTC ,8月1日8点20的时候已经进行了资产快照,在BCC区块挖出来以后,已经同步给到相应的BCC。
Fire money says the facilitator, Wu Heng: The gun money has supported BCC’s deal with BTC, and it officially opened the BCC’s operations at 1700 hours on August 9th. In the case of BTC’s main station and Pro’s station, a snapshot of the assets was taken at 8.20 p.m. on August 1, when the BCC block was dug up, it was synchronized to the corresponding BCC.
9、火币Pro会上线其他的资产吗?
9. The other assets of the Treasure Pro?
刘飞:火币Pro首先是一个创新性的资产平台,火币在选择资产的时候,会有自己一套严格的标准,具体标准和火币针对不同资产的看法,也可以去参见一下火币创新区开盘时候的《火币区块链资产评估报告》,未来一定会有更多的创新性的数字资产登录火币Pro,请大家期待。
Liu Fei: First and foremost, the Firenote Pro is an innovative asset platform where, when selecting assets, it has its own set of strict criteria, specific criteria and its view of different assets, as well as a review of the area chain assets assessment at the opening of the Currency Innovation Zone, and more innovative digital assets will be recorded in the future, please look forward to it.
10、火币会上EOS吗?火币Pro评估期需要多久?
10, EOS at a gun conference? How long does it take for the tender Pro assessment period?
刘飞:首先火币Pro不会排斥任何资产,但是要经过火币的评估,会第一时间发布在官网上,请关注我们的公告。火币未来会以更透明的报告形式呈现给大家,请大家期待。
Liu Fei: First it will not exclude any assets, but it will be posted on the official website as soon as it is evaluated. In the future, it will be presented in a more transparent form of reporting.
11、BCC会成为下一个以太经典吗?
Is BCC going to be the next Ether Classic?
江卓尔:我觉得它的走势很有可能复制以太经典的走势,一开始很多人砸,包括仇视BCC的人会砸这个币,所以导致它的价格很低,跟ETC开始砸盘一样,可能会把价格砸到5%左右。之后还会有一波炒作,把这个币再炒上来一波。以太经典差不多被砸到5%到10%,大概第8到10天的时候,最高涨到了以太坊的45%的高价,之后又被慢慢砸下去。BCC后面有一个特别大的共识,就是纽约共识2M能不能成功。如果能成功的话,BCC成为BTC的影子币,就跟现在莱特币的地位差不多。(该观点仅代表嘉宾个人,不代表火币网,请客观判断。)
Jiangchael: I think it's more likely that it's going to duplicate the classics, and many people, including those who hate BCC, will hit the coin at first, so it's low, like the ETC started smashing the plate, and it's going to hit the price at about 5%. And then there's a wave of hysteria, and it's going up again. It's going to be about 5% to 10%, about 8 to 10 days, and it's going up to 45% of the price in the underworld, and then it's going down slowly. A particularly big consensus behind BCC is whether the New York Consensus 2M will succeed. If it succeed, BCC will become the shadow currency of BTC.
12、BCC总量是多少呢?
12, what's the BCC total?
朱砝:BCC总量跟BTC一样是2100万个,因为它分叉之前的数据跟BTC是一样的,所以从创始块到以后的规则,都是一样的。
Chu: BCC totals 21 million, just like BTC, because it had the same data before the fork, so the rules from the founding block to the future are the same.
13、请问BCC的出现能解决什么问题?
13: What can the BCC's presence solve?
江卓尔:BCC是一个基于博弈论的产物,它的出现让比特币的发展变得更稳定。它的出现倒逼大部分人必须去做2M升级,如果不做2M升级,就可以预料到必然会导致比特币分成两派。其中一派去支持BTC,一派去支持BCC,除了互相往对方链上砸币的可能外,甚至比特币冠名权都有可能遭到争夺。所以大部分人为了避免这种局面的产生,反而会去支持纽约共识2M的升级。这让比特币的发展变得更加的可预见和稳定。
The emergence of BCC, a game-based product, has made bitcoin’s development more stable. It has forced most people to do 2M upgrades, and without 2M upgrades, it can be expected that it will inevitably lead to bitcoin splits. One of them supports BTC, the other one supports BCC, and even Bitco’s title is likely to be contested, except for the possibility of hitting each other’s chains.
14、一个比较犀利的问题,对于分裂比特币的行为,你们认为可耻吗?
A sharper question, do you think it's shameful to split bitcoin?
田鑫: BCC是一个很好的产物。我个人认为它并不是破坏比特币,因为80%以上的人或者85%的人都遵守纽约共识去挖BTC。并且纽约共识已经很迁就BIP148,把它包含在了里面。就是不希望他去破坏网络,希望它走得更远、走得更好。
BCC: It's a good product. Personally, I don't think it's destroying Bitcoin, because more than 80% or 85% of the population adheres to the New York consensus to dig for BTC. And the New York consensus has moved on to BIP148 to include it.
刘飞:这个社区来讲,大家共识比特币并没有分裂,看看各个矿池该支持纽约共识还在支持,大家在区块浏览器都可以查到这些信息,所以这个不要担心。
Liu Fei: For the community, there is a consensus that bitcoin is not divided, and see that there is still support for the New York consensus in the various ponds, and that this information can be found in block browsers, so don't worry about it.
15、BCC的定价以什么为基础,以算力计算吗?
15. On what basis is the BCC pricing calculated on the basis of arithmetic?
江卓尔:任何东西的定价都是由用户来决定的,用户愿意用,用真金白银去买这个币,这个币才会有价格。这由用户的买入来决定,并且用户的买入又会影响算力,
Jiangchael: Everything is priced by the user, and the user is willing to use it, to buy it with real silver, so it's priced. It's priced by the user's buy-in, and the user's buy-in affects the calculus.
16、可以在火币网买BCC吗?
16, can you buy BCC online?
刘飞: BCC第一个块被挖出来之后,就可以买BCC了。但是买BCC是在www.houbi.pro上才可以买。
BCC can buy BCC when the first block is dug out. But BCC can only be bought at www.houbi.pro.
17、今天以后,BCC的价格趋势的走势和BTC有关联性吗?
17, is the trend in BCC price trends related to BTC after today?
田鑫:我觉得所有币的价格跟市场、客户认可度有关系,不管是哪个币。BCC与BTC的关联性将比莱特币更大,莱特跟比特在价格上几乎是同时波动, BCC可以参考ETC和ETh的价格曲线。(该观点仅代表嘉宾个人,不代表火币网,请客观判断。)
The BCC and BTC will be more relevant than Leiteco, and Leiter and Bitt will have almost simultaneous price fluctuations, and BCC can refer to the ETC and ETH price curves. . (this view represents only a personal guest, not a gunnet.) /strong
朱砝:他们在一些事件上有明显的联动性,如果上了新功能,类似于SW,两边都可以上,可能带来交易量的提高、应用更容易落地。比如他们共享同样算法,矿机的技术也会导致这两个币价格上的联动,但是这个是偏中长期的影响。(该观点仅代表嘉宾个人,不代表火币网,请客观判断。)
Ju: They have a clear connection in some events, and if new functions, similar to SW, are available on both sides, they may lead to an increase in the volume of transactions and more readily available applications. For example, they share the same algorithms, and mine machine technology can lead to a connection between the prices of the two currencies, but this is a medium- and long-term effect.
18、 BCC会用来支持ICO吗?
Will BCC be used to support the ICO?
江卓尔:BCC是一个货币,可以拿货币去做任何事情,其实应该问,有没有人愿意ICO之后用这个币,这还是取决于这个币的用户数如何。
Jiangchael: The BCC is a currency that can do anything with a currency, but it should be asked whether anyone wants to use the currency after ICO, depending on the number of users of the currency.
刘飞:可能他想说另外一个问题,是不是他在想BCC未来会不会上智能合约,因为上了智能合约可以发Token(代币)。如果从募集角度来讲,任何一个币都可以做ICO。
Liu Fei: Maybe he wants to say another question, whether he's wondering if BCC's going to get a smart contract, because it's going to give Token. If it's raised, any currency can be an ICO.
19、区块链的数字货币会是人们创造的比钱还成功的故事吗?
Is digital currency in the block chain a story that people have created that is more successful than money?
田鑫:这个故事看大家怎么想,真的是这样。如果中国人认可它、更多人使用它,它不但会成为世界史上的货币,就看大家怎么想了。
Tianjin: This is what you think, really. If the Chinese accept it, and more people use it, it will become not only a currency in the history of the world, but it will depend on what you think.
20、Core会不会在11月抢BTC的冠名权?
Will Core take the name of the BTC in November?
江卓尔:他们肯定想抢,但这个东西还是由用户数市值来决定,实际上纽约共识做的事情就是把Core选下台了,就算开发者不做任何事情,社区也可以自己开发代码实行这一套,所以Core当然不承认他被选下台了,他还会坚持他1M的链,他那1M堵得要死,链上比特币。但是只要绝大部分人不承认、不认可这一点,大部分公司、企业、用户、矿工都在2M链上,那2M链上就是比特币。
Jiangchallor: But this thing is determined by the market value of the number of users. In fact, what the New York consensus is about is putting Core down, and even if the developers don't do anything, the community can develop the code itself. So, of course, Core does not admit that he was selected, he will stick to his 1M chain, his one-M chain, his one-M chain, the one-M chain, the bitcoin. But as long as the vast majority of people don't recognize it, the majority of companies, businesses, users, miners are on the 2M chain, the two-M chain is Bitcoin.
21、11月份有人看了纽约共识怎么办,有应对措施吗?
What if someone saw the New York consensus in November 21st? Any response?
江卓尔:这就是我说的BCC的意义,它让大部分人意识到,如果不尊重纽约共识比特币就彻底分成两派互相鄙视,这肯定不行。所以大部分人,这个时候做纽约共识比不做纽约共识好。
Jiangchael: That's what I say about the BCC, which makes most people realize that it is not possible to divide into two completely different parties without respecting the New York consensus, which is certainly not the case. So, for most people, it is better to have a New York consensus at this time than not a New York consensus.
22、11月扩容存在风险吗?
Is there a risk of expansion in November?
江卓尔:可能会有一些矿池背叛,到时候他找各种理由说不升2M。
Jiangchall: There may be a number of pits that have betrayed him, and he will find every reason to say no to 2M.
23、 BCC开发者团队有人吗?
Is there anyone on the BCC developers team?
江卓尔:BCC是一个币,这个币下面有多个开发团队,现在最主要的开发团队是ABC这个开发团队,大家可以去Bitcoinabc.org去看他们的官网。
Jiangchael: BCC is a currency with multiple development teams under it, and now the most important development team is ABC, which can be visited at Bitcoinabc.org.
24、江总,分叉对于比特币生态带来的破坏怎么解决呢?
24, Jiang, how do you deal with the damage done to Bitcoin's ecology?
江卓尔:每个人的三观不一样,我认为只要有竞争的存在,任何竞争都是好处不是坏处。所以这个时候分出一个竞争币,对比特币的生态是有好处的,对比特币的稳定是有好处的。比特币并不是一个不能被竞争的东西,比如说比特币是跟法币竞争的。这个时候说不允许任何币跟比特币竞争,这从法理上是说不过去的,没有竞争肯定会导致它死掉的。
Jiangchael: Each person's three views are different, and I think that any competition is not bad as long as there is competition. So it is good to have a competition currency, the ecology of bitcoin is good, and the stability of bitcoin is good. Bitcoin is not something that can't be competed, for example, bitcoin is competing with French coins. This is a time when no currency is allowed to compete with bitcoin.
25、请问江总,现在挖BTC和BCC效益一样吗?
25: Mr. Jiang, are you digging BTC and BCC for the same benefit now?
江卓尔:现在挖BCC是亏损90%,因为挖矿的难度是一样的。应该等到非常支持BCC的人,去把高难度的块挖掉以后,普通矿工才可以进去挖,这估计要花几天的时间。就是在最近几天(即直播时间8月1日左右)去挖BCC,都是亏本的。
Jiangchael: Now digging the BCC is at a loss of 90%, because mining is the same difficulty. It takes a few days for ordinary miners to dig after someone who is very supportive of the BCC to dig up hard blocks. It takes a few days to dig the BCC.
26、江总请解释你提的开发去中心化?
26, Mr. Jiang, please explain what you're talking about, decentralizing the development?
江卓尔:开发去中心化的意思就是说,有多个开发团队进行开发,市场觉得哪一个开发团队开发得好,市场通过矿工投票的方法,去选择开发团队。开发去中心化,不是在Core这个内部去中心化,应该是有其他团队跟Core相竞争,这才叫去中心化。
Jiangchallor: Development decentralized means that there are many development teams, and the market thinks which development team is well developed, and the market chooses the development team by voting with the miners. Development decentralized, not by centralizing within Core, but by competing with Core, is called decentralizing.
27、Bitcoinabc.com需要说一下,它就是BU吗?
27, Bitcoinabc.com needs to say, is it BU?
江卓尔:它不是BU。BU失败的原因是BU的领导人技术水平不行,导致开发的有BUG,一些新的团队都不会出现这样的情况。
Jiangchall: It's not a BU. The reason why BU failed is because BU's leaders were not technologically good, leading to the development of BUG, which is not likely to happen to some new teams.
28、BU跟比特大陆和BCC之间的关系是什么样的?
What is the relationship between BU and Bitland and BCC?
江卓尔:不应该说BU跟比特大陆什么关系,应该是BU跟市场是什么关系。它们的根源都是由于Core坚决不进行扩容导致的。可能比较早的时候,说Core是要扩容,只不过先要先隔离见证。现在隔离见证上了,大家可以看到Core明确态度是,就是不扩容。因为Core不扩容,导致这些市场需求得不到满足。市场需求得不到满足的时候,就会有新的开发者去满足市场需求。所以应该从本质上看这个东西,而不是上面这个东西是怎么形成的。
Jiangchael: What should be the relationship between the BU and the Bit continent be between the BU and the market? They are rooted in Core’s determination not to expand. Earlier, it may be that Core was meant to expand, but only to separate witnesses. Now that the isolation has been witnessed, it is clear that Core’s clear attitude is that there is no expansion. Because Core’s inflexibility has led to the unmet demand for these markets. When market demand is not met, there are new developers to meet market demand. So it is essential to look at the substance of the matter, not how it is created.
29、听说BU支持ABC,是怎么支持方式?
29, how did the BU support ABC?
江卓尔:支持的意思是出了一个兼容版本,支持BU开发组的人,继续使用BU客户端的时候,还可以跟ABC联通,就是我们说的开发去中心化的概念,这个币下面有很多开发组去开发各种各样的版本。最开始出来的是ABC的开发组,之后BU开发团队也开发了跟BCC兼容的版本。
Jiangchael: Support means a compatible version that supports the BU development team, that, while continuing to use the BU client, can also connect with the ABC, which is what we call the concept of decentralizing development, which has a lot of development groups under it to develop a variety of versions. The beginning is with the ABC development team, which has since developed a version compatible with the BCC.
30、BCC客户端安卓的用户可以用,苹果怎么办?
30, BCC client Andrew's user can use it. What about Apple?
刘飞:苹果的因为审核比较长,我们已经提交了,但是审核周期长,这个我们没有办法改变。如果你是苹果手机,又想参与BCC交易,就有手机大概浏览器,直接输入houbi.pro,用网页版,虽然体验差一点,最起码可以保证不错过开盘的行情。
Liu Fei: Apple's has been submitted because the audit process is longer, but we can't change it. If you're an apple phone and you want to be involved in BCC transactions, you have a cell phone browser, you can enter it directly into the houbi.pro, and use the web page, even though it's a bit short of experience, at the very least, to make sure you don't miss the opening.
31、BCC区块浏览器什么时候会有,BTC.COM会支持吗?
When will the BCC block browsers be available, will BTC.COM support them?
朱砝:如果BCC挖矿出块能稳定,同时价格稳定,没有理由不去支持它。并且从技术上说,并没有太大区别。
Chu: If the BCC digs up blocks that are stable while prices are stable, there is no reason not to support them. Technically, there is no big difference.
32、没有在交易平台存币,如何获得BCC?
How can we get BCC without depositing currency on the trading platform?
刘飞:要有钱包的私钥,把私钥备份,去bitcoinabc的官网下载钱包,把私钥导入就可以获得BCC了。以太这些钱包都是可以支持的。
Liu Fei: You need a wallet's private key, back up the private key, download the wallet on the bitcoinabc's website, import the private key and get BCC. Ether can support these wallets.
朱砝:很多钱包提供不同的支持方式,有的钱包本身就支持不同的币,它后期会把BCC作为一个山寨币,我觉得这是一个可行的方案。具体到BTC.com钱包,我们提供一个工具让用户能够导出当前钱包中余额所包含的BCC,导处到另外一个BCC的地址。
Ju: Many wallets provide different forms of support, and some wallets support different currencies, and later they will use BCC as a hedge currency, which I think is a viable solution. Specifically, in the BTC.com wallet, we provide a tool to enable users to export BCC, which is contained in the balance in the current wallet, to another BCC address.
庄重:你可以挑选一个其他地址,我们的工序可以把你BTC.COM所有的比特币转移到BCC地址上。就是我们不会再钱包上支持BCC,但是会提供一个工具可以把对应的BCC导出。可以开启同步,一直同步到最新的。因为目前最安全的钱包,只有原生的钱包了。
Respectful: You can choose a different address, and we can move all of your BTC.COM bitcoins to the BCC address. We're not going to support BCC on our wallets, but we're going to provide a tool to export the corresponding BCCs. We can start synchronizing and keep it up to date. Because the safest wallet at the moment, there's only the original wallet.
33、这次BCC事件对于莱特币的影响如何?有人说可能对莱特币影响不利。
What was the impact of the BCC incident on Lettco? It was said that it might be detrimental to Lettco.
江卓尔:它肯定会成为莱特币的潜在竞争者,本来很多人买莱特,就是因为莱特是比特的小盘股,我个人看好比特,但是比特不太可能大幅上涨,我就买个莱特币,看能不能符合预期。所以这种情况下BCC会成为比特的小盘股,所以可能有人想去炒。实际上莱特币已经开始走出比特影子币的过程,因为之前李启威基本上不做莱特开发,实际上每一版莱特的新代码直接巴比特的代码拿过来,再把参数改掉就变成莱特。至少现在李启威开始全职投入来做开发,所以莱特是有望走出比特的影子币,所以这时候比特币的影子币有可能会变成BCC,你要猜BCC以后会怎么样,既可以看ETC对ETH的走势,也可以看莱特对比特的走势,他们可能会出现很类似的情况。
Jiangchael: It's bound to be a potential competitor of Lightcoin, because Leiter is a little stock of bits, and I personally see bits, but it's unlikely that bits will rise significantly, so BCC will be a little stock of bits in this case, so some people might want to fire it. In fact, Leitwin is starting to get out of bitcoin, because Li Qiwey didn't do much Leit, and actually took every new version of Leit's code directly, and changed the parameters to Leit. At least right now Li Quewe is starting to invest full time in bit's shadow coins, so it's possible that Bitco's shadow coins might turn into BCC at this time, and you have to guess what happens to BCC, and even if it's going to look at ETT's move toward ETH, it's going to look like it's going to happen.
火币大家说主持人吴兴:看每个币最终的发展路径,最近也听到了很多莱特币想做不同改进的声音,后面也在说莱特要不要支持上智能合约,莱特要不要率先做闪电网络,莱特要不要做完全的零知识证明。所以当每种技术更新的时候,都会有它的价值存在。
The gun money says that host Wu Hing: Seeing the final course of development of each currency, he has recently heard a lot about Leitco wanting to make different improvements, and then he's saying whether Leiter wants to support smart contracts, whether Lightning wants to be the first to do the lightning network, whether Lightning wants to be the perfect proof of zero knowledge. So when every technology is updated, it's worth it.
34、BCC未来发展前景怎么样,会不会超越BTC,是否建议长期持有?
What are the prospects for the future of BCC and whether it will go beyond BTC and whether it is recommended that it be held on a long-term basis?
田鑫:这个就跟直线说的,分叉会不会影响BTC,没有太大的意义。
Tanaka: It doesn't make much sense to say that splits don't affect BTC.
江卓尔:从长期来看BCC相当于BTC的长期抗跌曲线,就是相当于比特币的备份。就我本人而言,我不会卖出手上的BCC,我会保持手上的BCC跟BTC大致相等,这样的话即使哪一边发生问题,或者出现最极端的。比如说BTC出了问题BCC逆袭的话,并不会损失我手中的币。
Jiangchael: In the long run, BCC is the BTC’s long-term anti-grading curve, which is the backup of Bitcoin. For my part, I will not sell the BCC in my hand, and I will keep the BCC in my hand roughly the same as BTC, even if there is a problem on either side, or the most extreme. For example, the BTC has a problem with BCC’s backlash, and I will not lose the currency in my hand.
35、怎么切换挖BCC?
35, how do we switch to the BCC?
田鑫:现在想挖BCC,暂时只能去ViaBCC和bitcoin.com,
Tanaka: Now I'm going to dig BCC, I'm going to ViaBCC and Bitcoin.com.
36、SegWit2X现在的支持度怎么样,到时会不会大动荡?
How much support does SegWit2X have now, and will it be volatile?
江卓尔:现在至少所有矿池表面上是百分之百支持。
Jiangchael: At least all of the ponds now appear to be 100% supportive.
37、怎样把资金转到火币Pro站。
37 - How to transfer the funds to the Treasure Pro station.
刘飞:登录到火币Pro站以后,在资产管理界面有一个划转功能,可以无缝、零延时把火币主站的资产转移到Pro站上。这两个站不用重新注册,账号体系是打通的,划转也是零延时的。
Liu Fei: When you log in to the Flame Pro station, you have a transfer function at the Asset Management Interface, which allows for the transfer of the money station’s assets to Pro station on a seamless and zero-time basis.
38、Core为什么做这种吃力不讨好的事情?
38, Core, why are you doing such unconscionable things?
江卓尔:我个人认为Core有两个问题。第一,过度技术化,即过度看重新的技术,他们觉得这个东西有决定性。比如莱特币已经可以看到没有人用闪电网络,它只是满足一部分需求,但是不能满足全部需求。应该说主链交易才是满足全部需求,Core过分技术化。第二,他推断很多事情的时候,推断得过分理想化。Core持有的概念就是,一旦区块变大,就会影响去中心化。
Jiangchael: I personally think that Core has two problems. First, over-technicalization, that is, over-looking at re-technology, they think it's decisive. For example, Letco has seen that no one uses the lightning network, which meets only part of the demand, but not all of it. It should be said that the main chain trade is all that meets the demand, Core is too technical. Second, when he deduces a lot of things, it's too idealistic. The concept that Core holds is that, once the blocks become larger, it affects decentralization.
39、 BCC目前的挖矿难度和BTC是一样的吗?
39. Is BCC currently having the same difficulty in mining as BTC?
朱砝:此刻是一样的,但是因为BCC多了一个动态难度调整机制,如果它出块难度过慢,不需要等到14天,就会自动下调挖矿难度。BCC也是因为这个特性,很多人觉得跟比特币的理念有所相悖,把它更多看成一种山寨币。挖矿难度现在是一样的。
The same thing at the moment, but because the BCC has a more dynamic and difficult adjustment mechanism, if it is too slow to wait 14 days, it automatically lowers the mining difficulties. The BCC is also such that many people feel that it is contrary to Bitcoin’s idea and consider it more like a mountain coin. The difficulty of mining is now the same.
火币大家看主持人吴兴:在提问的过程中,我们连线了来自BTCC矿池的大咖负责人赵千捷,请和大家介绍一下BTCC矿池现在的情况,以及今晚会有什么特殊情况吗?会做怎样的处理?
"Strong": In the process of asking questions, we contacted Zhao Chiji, the head of the big curry from the BTCC pond, to tell you what's going on in the BTCC pond and what's going on tonight. What's going to happen?
场外连线嘉宾赵千捷:大家好我是BTCC矿池的赵千捷。我们的矿池是纽约矿池的签署方,所以我们是坚持共识的。我们矿池的算力不会去挖BCC,目前我们的矿池算力都是在比特币上面。不过BCC是一条分叉链,或者把它理解成是一种竞争币也可以,把它理解成一种新的数字资产也可以。市场需求最后会决定它的走向,目前交易所也跟大家一样,我们也做好了快照,很快会把资产分发到用户账号里。
We're not going to dig the BCC, and we're not going to do it now. But the BCC is a fork chain, or it can be understood as a new digital asset. Market demand will eventually determine its course, and the exchange is going to be like everyone else, and we'll take a quick picture and soon distribute the assets to the user account.
火币大家说主持人吴兴:总之大家不用担心,分叉是一个物竞天择式的生存,竞争会让这个生态更好。在挖矿过程中,大家都是大佬,好不容易今天聚在一起,大家回顾一下在做矿池最难忘的事情,一人讲一件。
"Strong" is a sign: In short, you don't have to worry that the fork is a natural survival, and competition will make the ecology better. In the mining process, we're all big people, so we're all together today, and we'll look back at the most unforgettable thing in the pond, one of us.
朱砝:我说一个最近的事,去客户的矿场,真的是深山老林里面,开五六个小时山路,过了某一个地方别人通知我刚刚那个地方塌方了走不掉。在少数民族彝族住民俗三天不能洗澡,在7月份的时候,当时觉得矿工真的很不容易。这个事情真的比较难忘,路很窄,江总应该也见过那样的地方,很多地方车如果底盘太低根本过不去,我们当时租的帕萨特,全程感觉几乎托着底过去的,山上经常是停水停电。
Ju: I said a recent thing, going to a customer's mine, was really a deep forest, driving a five-and-six-hour road, and I was told somewhere that I had just collapsed. I couldn't take a bath for three days in the minority folk, and it was really hard for the miners in July. It was really hard to forget, it was a narrow road, and Jiang should have seen the same place, and many of the local cars were too low, and the Pasat we rented had a feeling that they were almost on the bottom, and the mountains were often out of power.
田鑫:要说难忘的事情,还真不少,从2014年的减半,再到各大矿池横空出世,再到现在扩容,其实都跟矿池息息相关。仔细回想从2015年到现在发生了很多事情,2016年的时候减半到现在,好像就是翻天覆地的感觉。我记得2016年减半的时候,也就2亿到3亿,几百P,到现在6000多P,到现在更多的人知道它、了解它,越来越多的人认可它,我感觉蛮好的。
Tianxiao: There are a lot of things to remember, from the year 2014 to the year 2014 to the year 2014 to the year 2014 to the day when the major mining ponds have emptied and expanded, all of which are related to the ponds. Looking back at what has happened between 2015 and now, by 2016, it's as if it were a turning point. I remember that when I halved in 2016, it was just between 200 million and 300 million, hundreds of P, and now over 6,000 P, and now more and more people know it, understand it, and more and more people recognize it, and I feel pretty good.
江卓尔:我比较难忘还是开始做比特币矿池的时候。因为我一开始做的莱特币矿池,靠挖很多山寨币赚钱。那个时候我的目标是先把钱赚到,我既然赚了这么多比特币,我意识到我开始对这个系统有义务和责任,然后又碰到扩容之争的时候,所以才下定决心做比特币矿池。并且得益于团队和合作伙伴的支持,所以让我基本上半年多的时间内就从零开始做到现在全球第二的矿池。所以这里我要谢谢所有团队成员和合作伙伴,没有你们的支持,没有现在。
Jiangchael: It's hard to forget when I started making bitcoin, because I started making a lot of money by digging up a lot of mounds. At that time, my goal was to make money, and now that I've made so much bitcoins, I realized that I began to have obligations and responsibilities for the system and then ran into the masturbation contest, so I decided to make bitcoin. And, thanks to the support of the team and partners, let me basically start doing the second most global pool from scratch for more than six months. So here I would like to thank all my team members and partners, without your support, without now.
庄重:我来比特大陆之前,参与过矿场,一个破废弃的厂房堆满了机器。一开始被关在酒店房间里调矿池代码调了很久。那天终于有点调通了,这些矿场上机器去连到我们的矿池去实验,等了好久终于挖了一个块出来,结果发现代码有些地方地址填错了,就丢了一个块。那时候建矿场挺辛苦的,每天晚上都是装机器装到半夜三点多,因为机器通常都是很晚才运到矿场,所以比较负责把机器布置好,也经历过收大200个币手续费的交易。
Heavyweight: Before I came to Bitland, I was involved in a mine, and a broken and abandoned factory was full of machines. It was locked in a hotel room for a long time to adjust the codes of the ponds. It was a bit tuned, and the machines went to our ponds to experiment, and after a long time, they dug up one piece, and found out that some of the codes had been filled with wrong addresses and lost one. It was a tough time to build a mine, which was loaded up every night until more than 3:00 in the middle of the night, because the machines were usually delivered late, so it was more responsible for setting up the machines and also for dealing with 200-dollar fees.
火币大家说主持人吴兴:作为历经沙场这么多年的老将,对于现在想投资做比特币挖矿的人,或者想投资比特币做交易的人,大家有什么经验吗?
"Strong," everyone says, "Moderator Wu Hing: as an old general who's been through the sand for so many years, has any experience with people who want to invest in bitcoin mining or who want to invest in bitcoin to make a deal? "
田鑫:想提醒大家一句,千万不要扣电,一定要合法收费,这个是一定保证的,大家要合理赚钱,不要走违法路线,这是给大家的忠告。同时建议尽量不要选不稳定的风电。
Tianjin: I would like to remind you that it is important not to withhold electricity, but to pay a legal fee. This is a guarantee that everyone should make reasonable money and not follow illegal routes. This is a good advice to you.
庄重:给大家建议,投资数字货币要在自己控制的范围内去合理地投资、合理的分配自己的资产,特别是一些新加入的投资者,需要合理和家庭沟通。
Dignity: It is suggested that investment in digital currencies requires reasonable investment within their control, a reasonable distribution of their assets, especially among some new investors, and reasonable communication with their families.
江卓尔:我的建议就是坚持。另外最近挖矿比买币更合适,并且挖矿挖到下一个减半周期,到2021年的时候,可能会让你有一个惊喜。
Jiangchael: My advice is to insist. And it's more appropriate to dig recently than to buy coins, and dig to the next half-cycle, which might surprise you by 2021.
朱砝:我分两个部分。第一,对交易投资者。第二,对挖矿投资者。
Ju: I'm in two parts. First, for a trading investor. Second, for a mining investor.
第一,选择持有数字资产,一定要现在有长线投资价值的品种,尽可能做中长线的操作,中长线去持有。即便是比特币现在的价格,我们也认为它还是处在上升通道里面,甚至在不太长的时间里面,会有一定的价格突破。包括现在一些新的竞争币,包括一些新的ICO还是要警惕一下,尽可能选择主流一些的、有长期投资价值的品种。
First, choosing to hold digital assets must now have a variety of long-line investment values, doing as much medium- and long-term operations as possible. Even now, we think that bitcoin is in the way of rising prices, even in a relatively short period of time, with some price breakthroughs.
第二,对于挖矿投资者,跟炒币的建议是一样的,尽量选择有长期价值的。而不是因为一个非理性的因素选择了一条链、选择一个币种挖。矿工一定要从自己利益的角度去考量,我挖哪边利润最高,我就选择哪边。
Second, for mining investors, it is the same as the idea of selling coins, which is of long-term value. Rather than choosing a chain and choosing a currency because of an irrational factor. Miners must take their own interests into account, and I will choose which is the most profitable.
最后,火币大家说的朋友们,我们下期再会。
Finally, we shall meet again next year, as you all say, my friends.
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